i have my nicotined stained fingers on something that may fascinate you.
i've had it a while, and now must come forth to make full admission:.
this is a teaser introduction to someting that will shock some, and not surprise others, but many nevertheless may not know where this came from:.
i would be fascinated to read some of that transcript. As you rightly said, the only side of the story I have ever heard is the WT one.
I've been trying to get independant transcripts of the Walsh trial in Scotland without much success. I have read it all in Ray Franz book, but would like the actual court records to show JW's without haveing the old "apostate literature" accusation thrown at me.
watchtower.
bible and tract society of new york, inc.. writing department phone (718) 625-3600.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, new york 11201-2483, u.sa.
Well I'm glad that's cleared up!
And I always thought it was a throwback to when "Judge" Rutherford hijacked the WTS from Russels chosen succesors, and in order to clear out any lingering affection or loyalty to Russel, he introduced the no beard pilicy. Prior to this most of the "Bible Students" wore big bushy beards.....just like Russel!!
so much promised to so many which resulted in so much disappointment, despair and misery.
what future for the young?.
because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.
Fred,
If she did she was dissappointed.
My teeth are like the stars.......they come out at night!
would you eat blood voluntarily, if it was, say, a major constituent in a food that you found to be particularly tasty?.
truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented.
-georges braque
I've looked at Black Pudding.......then looked away.
I think my stomachs too weak for that!
so much promised to so many which resulted in so much disappointment, despair and misery.
what future for the young?.
because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.
As a 17 year old when this article came out (which I clearly remember, believe it or not), I can vouch for your description of what life has become in 2002.
I didn't worry about further education, having a career, getting a pension or even going to the dentist to have those bad teeth seen to. I didn't need to, Armageddon was just around the corner.
How I wish I'd known then what I know now!
please use the link below to view yet another "charity" in association with the wts.
have a good read and please pass your comments.. http://www.jah-jireh.co.uk/
DazedAndConfused,
Yes, I guess the discrimination laws are pretty similar. The problem is the law only comes into use when someone invokes it or challenges it. Workers are recruited by word of mouth within local congregations and therefor positions are never advertised, so they don't need to decline any non-witness applicants. There have been occassions when carers have been "reproved", and as a consequence been shunned by their fellow workers, resulting in them leaving of their own accord. If somebody wished to this amounts to "constructive dismissal" and there would probably be a very good case to answer to.
Unfortunately, nobody ever challenges this situation, so they continue to get away were their illegal activities....again!
yesturday my wife bumped into one of our former friends from the hall.. she tried to discuss a few points with him but as she hasn't done much research herself was a bit stuck when he told her that the reason the society dates the fall of babylon to 607 was because the jews were in captivity for 70 years which working back from 537 you come to 607.. i tried to explain to her that the bible does not specifically say the jews would be in captivity for 70 years but that in daniel it talks of the devestaions of jerusalem ,which could mean it rulership by babylon which started before they were taken captive.. beside that isn't it true that people were left over in jerusalem and only the elite taken?.
anyway at the end of 2 chronicals particually verse 21 it talks of the land laying desolate 70 years this would sujest that the 70 years maybe did refer to the desrution of jerusalem.. can anyone point me in the right direction on this?.
by the way this has no bearing on what i think just my wife as i don't believe the bible to be the word of god anyway, and there are far bigger problems with the witnesses time prophecies , i just need to show from the bible it is wrong as that is the only source of authority for some people.
Sleepy, I can't help you out with your specific question, but the site Shar mentioned definately will.
Just as a side point it may interest you to know that in his book, "Millions Now Living WILL Never Die" Rutherford said the fall of Jerusalem was 606 BC. He said that this date was definately and positively correct beyond any doubt, and therefore, applying the various prophecies took the end of the gentile times to 1914.
Starngely enough, when the WTS realised they had calculated the 2620 (or whatever the figure was) they made a mistake! They had forgotton there wasn't a Zero year. So what should have happened was that 1914 should have become 1915. Of course, so much jad been said about 1914 by this time that the Society was faced with a major problem! They solved it in true Watchtower style. Rather than move 1914 one year forward they simply re-wrote history and said Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE.
It's simple when you know how!!
please use the link below to view yet another "charity" in association with the wts.
have a good read and please pass your comments.. http://www.jah-jireh.co.uk/
Latte,
I've seen them sitting crying when they think back to the years they have given to the B-Org and the sacrifices they have made, only to find themselves being shunted round, made to get up when they are fast asleep in the morning and put to bed when they are wide awake at night.
please use the link below to view yet another "charity" in association with the wts.
have a good read and please pass your comments.. http://www.jah-jireh.co.uk/
Sounds the ideal scenario for JW's to look after JW's. The reality is somewhat less than ideal.
--"This staffing provided only by Jehovah's Witnesses is absolutely necessary for those times when consolation and spiritual encouragement are necessary to care for the residents."--
It would be interesting to see if someone would challenge this stance. The Race Relations Act in the UK forbids discrimination on religious grounds. What would happen if a qualified person was to apply for a position there, I wonder?
--"We do recognise that the primary responsibility to care for elderly ones lies firstly with their families and secondly with the congregation (see 1 June 1987 Watchtower). However there will be times when this arrangement will not suffice"--
The sad thing is that many of these old people have no family to care for them. When they were younger they were pioneering, being CO' etc and avoiding children because the end was nigh. So now they have no family.
There are a lot more things wrong with this set up but I may leave that for another day.
i have never missed a memorial in 20 years of being a jw, but this year will be the first one i miss because i refuse to set foot in any kingdom hall.
i was wondering how many that post here will attend the memorial and if so why?.
do you feel pressured into going by family or friends?.
I won't be there either.........for the first time in 49 years!
Like many others, I do still feel the need to celebrate the Memorial, but to also partake. THat was the arrangement Jesus set up, when even Judas Iscariot partook (despite what the WTS say).
I think we will be getting a few ex-JW's together to do our own thing.
